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Boxeo antiguo y wing chun

Notapor Jaime G » 31 Ago 2008 10:36

Una discusión interesante :)

Hi,

In the article "Revival of Bare kncukle boxing" Armando Sainz
describes the similarity between wing chun and BKBand BKB is a martial
art that can stand on its own.It's a nice read.
The link is
http://www.usadojo.com/articles/bare-kn ... oxing.html
Many websites host this article.In that he states that
"These Europeans kept their heads back, with their weight on the
rear leg". The second picture in webpage contained in the following link
http://www.uk-martialartist.co.uk/articles/bareknuk.php
shows the stance.He also describes,
"The posture was tilted back with the arms extended upon interception
keeping the head away from the opponent's fists."

If the weight is kept on rear leg it hinders sideways movement and a
hasty retreat.It also makes advancing slow.More importantly,how can the
drop step or falling step can be performed with the weight on the rear
leg.Also, if the posture is tilted back, "retreating in good order"
or "drawing back" which is the preferred form of defense by Mendoza
and other early masters is ruled out.
It's more comfirtable to stand in a Mendoza's style stance which is
similar to Jack Dempsey neglecting the crouch and consdering the foot
positions and weight distribution as described in his
book "Championship fighting...",good for mobility and comfirt.
But many clips of early boxers including Jack Jhonson and others shows
the weight in rear leg.
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=6G2P5ZqJjrE
Note especially after 28th second.

Is it really possible to fight with the weight on the rear leg in BKB
style in a full fledged environment?, especially where kicking and
takedown is not ruled out.


If the weight is kept on rear leg it hinders sideways movement and a
> hasty retreat.It also makes advancing slow


Not with practice. This stance is pretty standard for the fencing arts of the time (backsword & smallsword), and one you're used to it you can move just fine from it

>More importantly,how can the
> drop step or falling step can be performed with the weight on the rear
> leg.


Simply by forward weighting as you lunge and land. The back weighted is stance is the en guarde stance, but that doesn't mean your weight doesn't shift during the fight

Is it really possible to fight with the weight on the rear leg in BKB
> style in a full fledged environment?, especially where kicking and
> takedown is not ruled out.


Absolutely (or they wouldn't have done it). The "back weight" is really there to charge you for a lunge, a very powerful, explosive forward-driving motion, that can deliver either punches or knees (or palms or whatever)

Some Dempsey commentary from Championship Fighting:

THE UPRIGHT STANCE

"In that position, used by many British boxers, the body is practically
straight up and down, with the weight either evenly distributed on both feet or
resting largely upon the right foot. It is an excellent defensive stance
because it permits freedom of the feet for fast footwork, and because it provides
freedom for blocking and parrying. It has at least one defensive weakness,
however. The user can be knocked off balance or floored much more easily
than if the weight is forward. Offensively, the position does not stimulate
explosive punching, since the weight is not forward."

Interesting to note that Dempsey himself preferred the full crouch. And
also called the semi-crouch "the perfect stance for fist-fighting."
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