Discusión guiri sobre boxeo antiguo

[Jaime G]

My question is whether BKB'ers LPR rules( comentario mío,LPR= reglas anteriores a las de queensberry,pero no las más antiguas, se suele mostrar un boxeo erguido con guardia a lo wingchunero) or before where known to
seize an opponent's limb in any scientific kind of way and if so down
which lineage were these techniques taught?
I havnt found anything about holding unless its a set up for a fall
but I cant shake the feeling that they must have had some method of
catching an opponents hand or arm and punishing with the other.
Perhaps pulling the opponent off balance or pulling the limb so that
the opponents free arm was rendered ineffective on account of its new
position to the practitioner?
Any information on this I would greatly greatly appreciate.

Also, in my readings on hand and arm positioning in bkb it would seem
to me that the modern way of holding the guard was used more than two
hundred years ago according to Art and Practice of English Boxing
(1807) put out by the Martial Arts Reconstruction Organization. Big
thumbs up to them by the way. Though the pictures dont look exactly
like the modern guard I'd say hands up elbows in is pretty close as
opposed to right on the mark and left held parrelel to the floor. I
get stuffed in the face pretty often in that attitude, maybe Im just
doing something wrong...but hey, thats why Im on this forum right

Arm/Wrist seizes were known in classic pugilism. Most of the time they
were used to help drag the opponent's body the direction you want to
during a throw or to prevent the opponent from attempting to hit you
while you grappled him (See Price's directions on the subject).
However, one of the earliest English Pugilism books, Inn Play by Sir
Thomas Parkyns, details an arm-wrap and, alternately, an arm lock cum
balance displacement, both called "The Pinnion" (because it's more
important the name to detail what's happening to the opponent's body
rather than what you did to make it do that). In the arm wrap, it looks
like a traditional, snake type wrap. In the arm-lock/balance
manipulation, it looks a whole lot like the entry/first movement for an
Aikido type shiho-nage.

Though not trapping per se, classic pugilism did have a fairly standard
block/guard of swiping the arm across the face, elbow point out, hand
guarding the opposite ear (Carl Cestari adopted it into his Combatives
system and called it "The Vampire Guard" because it looked like Bella
Lagosi wrapping his cape around in front of his face). In this guard
position, sometimes called "Jack Slack's guard), warding strait blows to
the head (and sometimes impacting into the elbow point) the natural
riposte is a backfist or hammerfist. In that combination it looks very
much akin to a basic/primitive Pak-Sao/Lop-Sao type movement from Wing
Chun.